proxies
by rantywoman
A bit incendiary but interesting nonetheless:
She dismisses the claim that motherhood is the hardest job in the world as ‘a smart way to satiate unappreciated women’, and suggests women with active brains could put them to far better use than having babies. ‘How insulting is it to suggest the best thing women can do is raise other people to do incredible things?’ she asks.
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thebitterbabe 
We only have the for a little while, and then they’ve flown. What kind of idiot thinks selling their lives for money is better than creating and forming lives?
Oh, wait. I know the answer to that one.
So, men can have great careers and families with children but women can have only one of the two. So much for the feminist cause of equality. One group with children insults the other as “career” woman while the other calls the first group “breeders” or boring, etc. How come fathers are not considered boring?
Its articles like these which poison the culture. which create this false idea that there is some sort of trade off between having a family and being successful in careers. Shouldn’t the ideal be both? Like Sarah Palin for e.g.
Both are achieved when you have a solid partnership with a husband.
Instead some so called feminists ask women to be independent of men. But fact is men need women and vice versa
As a married/mom with a career I agreed with you until you said “Sarah Palin” – ?? What? I’m not American, however, I know enough about Ms Palin – and “successful in her career” should be more like “stupidest women in the US gets picked up to make McCain look good..woman/attractive – because no one yet realized she is as thick as two boards – and then then when the world gasps/cringes in embarrassment at her mind-boggling stupidity she fades into obscurity”.
Come on, there are MILLIONS of women that are intelligent that have actually combined motherhood with careers. For example, Ms Clinton (as one tiny example) is 100x smarter, actually Has a career, where she actually Does something and has a daughter that has an actual career (e.g. not with a reality show as Ms Palin’s daughter).
I would agree with you here though: “Its articles like these which poison the culture. which create this false idea that there is some sort of trade off between having a family and being successful in careers” – but then this article was in the UK’s Daily Mail – the absolute worst, right wing, celebrity gossip paper masquerading as “news” in England. No one here (I live in the UK) with any education reads the Daily Mail (and if they do they wouldn’t admit to it). The worst papers (basically marketed to the equivalent of uneducated trailer types or middle/conservative England- sorry to be crude) are the Daily Mail, The Sun and The Mirror.
Anyone with education reads: BBC Online, The Times (conservative), The Guardian (left wing), The Observer (middle to left wing), The Independent (left wing) or The Telegraph (conservative).
That all said, the Daily Mail does have some interesting and popular (if very biased and polarizing) articles in their “Femail” part of the site, so I can totally understand why you highlighted it ranty woman.
Yes, I definitely feel ambivalent about the Daily Mail and think that they often just throw things out there to be incendiary. The problem with an article like this is that it doesn’t address the systemic issues that can make it difficult to have both a career and kids, but I found it interesting nonetheless and some women, like the ones in the article, just really don’t want kids.
I don’t think Sarah Palin is smart. But she did become the Governor of Alaska. That definitely counts as success.
Whats wrong if her daughter participated in a dance show? Apparently 20 million people watch that show. What exactly is an actual career? There are rap artists who have been to jail before who then made some songs which became popular and they are wealthy. Does holding a steady job alone count as career?
And so what is Sarah Palin is not that smart. Does that mean she doesn’t deserve a family or whatever career she can hold on to?
I don’t think there is any prerequisite that men have to be intelligent or have a high earning job to deserve families. I know cab drivers who have wives and children.
So, equality between men and women means women being able to start families and have a career (whatever they are able to do) regardless of how smart or talented they are.
Its surprising to me that so many so called feminists don’t get this..
(Based on how viciously Sarah Palin gets attacked by the women for things other than just policies)
I deliberately mentioned Sarah Palin to make this point!
I often think the hate toward Palin is because she is not of the elite classes, very attractive, has traditional values and is very successful in her own life and her career. And yes, she does have kind of a higher voice, more feminine, etc and that makes her ripe for even more ridicule, especially with certain groups.
To Matt84 and Yogagurl,
“I often think the hate toward Palin is because she is not of the elite classes, very attractive, has traditional values and is very successful in her own life and her career”
“Whats wrong if her daughter participated in a dance show? Apparently 20 million people watch that show. What exactly is an actual career? There are rap artists who have been to jail before who then made some songs which became popular and they are wealthy. Does holding a steady job alone count as career? And so what is Sarah Palin is not that smart. Does that mean she doesn’t deserve a family or whatever career she can hold on to?”
Ok, I read both these comments and I thought, really? Really?! But, since you asked – Yogagurl, people don’t “hate” her because she has traditional values and is very successful in her own life and career” (the latter of which is debatable in any case) for many of the same reasons people don’t hate Ann coulter for being blonde and outspoken. The reason people, very rightly!, don’t like Palin is because her views are backward (creationism? please), her knowledge of the world and the US is utterly disgraceful (“I can see Russia from my backyard” “Alaska is the biggest island in the US” “New Hampshire is part of the Northwest” part of the US, the list goes on) on voting in Obama (the best president the US has had since Clinton, and possibly ever) “I can’t believe so many people hate America”). She has no understanding of the following – all of which are pretty basic to a career in national politics: foreign policy, history, science, finance, investment, debt, the economy, geography – etc etc. She is an embarrassed to Americans, to women – to the many many American woman that are incredibly bright and have actual issues and points they want to improve on. And, absolutely, without Question, intelligence is integral in politics. The same way it is in academia. If she wants to be thick as two boards and front a reality show she can go ahead – but to be a spokesperson/representative for millions of Americans? That will affect their lives? No. And, as well, American policies impact the rest of the world (less so nowadays, but they still have an impact) whereas she is not bright enough to lead a local council. For example, people hate Ann Coulter not because she has “traditional values” and is “attractive” but because she is racist, hate mongering, vicious nasty piece of work. There are many women that are bright And gorgeous with families. That are actually intelligent. Using Palin because she is “less than” Matt84 is an insult to women – and that you don’t get that is troubling given you clearly are trying to be fair in your views.
With regard to “what is a career” – a career is something that adds something of worth and knowledge in my opinion. A scientist is a career, a CFO is a career – being in a reality show? That may Be her career, but in terms of worth it’s pointless. I strongly suggest both you and yogagurl watch the hilarious “Idiocracy” to see where the US is heading if it went down the Palin/reality TV is all powerful route. Thank god for Obama – he’s the most intelligent person to lead the US in a very long time. You guys should be thanking your lucky stars.